Rosenberg: Yeah, I totally agree with what you just said, Greg. And I think that on some levels, if we can all just take a step back, Donald Trump is a ridiculous person. He’s a ridiculous leader. What he’s trying to do in this country that has almost 250 years of the democratic tradition, strong federalism, a government that has broken into three branches [is] he’s trying to turn this country into Russia, into China, into Venezuela, whatever the analogy is. And why? What’s the point? Usually when these radical transformations happen, it’s because the country has failed, the political system has failed. He inherited one of the strongest economies in American history. American power … We were paramount. We were very strong in the global stage. There wasn’t some societal collapse that would have precipitated him bringing in these radical reforms that were not central, frankly, to his dialogue with the American people during 2024. And I think people are freaking out….

I think the three huge pillars of the strength that he had—his offering to the voters that wandered into his arms that were critical to his winning, which are young people, Hispanics, and independent voters who’ve all seen enormous drops in polling—is that first, with him, you would have a better life, you’d make more money. That’s not true. Second is that he’s going to run the country like a CEO, make things more efficient. Well, that’s obviously not true. The guy’s an historic buffoon and screwing everything up and has crazy people working for him. And then the third piece of that core brand was that he was going to make America strong—and he’s making us weak. And he’s weak.

So I do think that we’re at a point where we should be optimistic. There’s one central learning to me about the last few months, and this is things that you and I have been discussing for a long time, Greg: We’ve learned that people’s minds can change, that our work that we do actually is making a difference, that the country is actually changing their opinion about Donald Trump. And they don’t like what they see. In the Economist poll that came out this week, he’s not in a place of majority standing on any issue that matters to voters right now. He’s now got a majority of the country against him on inflation, the economy, immigration even, right? You’ve seen the country really turn on him.